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Old August 25th, 2008, 08:46 PM
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Default When is it to late for planting palm trees

When is it to late for planting palm trees in the ground. I live in North Carolina.
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Old August 26th, 2008, 12:51 PM
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Old August 27th, 2008, 07:54 PM
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That you should not plant any palm tree close to winter, it does not give the palm tree sufficient time to colonize its roots, and create a good base so that it will insure its growth for the future. Even through winters. I'll post some pics of some windmill palm that has gone through a snow storm. As long as the palm tree is comfortable and has gone through the shock of being planted in the ground, the palm tree should do well with little care. So remember do not plant close to winter.





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Old August 27th, 2008, 08:15 PM
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Default Crazy how palms can survive a winter

I had a windmill that survived the snow years back...
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Old September 6th, 2008, 03:16 PM
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Default Its TO LATE

When winter starts. you should do it around spring time.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 05:49 PM
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Hello PalmHuggers,

I work here at RPT and decided I would answer PalmHugger's Questions...

Also, Please visit the PalmHuggers area and upload pictures... They may be placed in the front of the Website under featured article!!!

You can also Private Message me for any questions that may be regarding Palm Trees and/or Palm Seeds...


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Old October 15th, 2008, 01:01 AM
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Default Its never to late to plant a palm tree

Just kidding. You will never want to transplant during winter and that's a fact. Early Spring FOR SURE!! Gives the palm tree ample time to settle in.
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Old October 29th, 2008, 08:36 PM
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I just planted 10 beat up queens palms from a beach bar..planted them in sunny location..not much wind..planted them together..I want to know what to do next...watered them in good...need fert even though late...what kind and where??...they are 18 feet tall ....it is a experiment I have wanted to do for 20 years...I live in south jersey...heat lamps??..heat blanket??...is it more important to protect the trunk than the leaves??..electric is near this corner of my shops..I want to attempt to make them better for a year or 2 then transplant to a river beach here that I made..need any help...Tom Byrd
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Old October 30th, 2008, 10:44 AM
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Geez Jersey... Seems like a place not suited for queen palms. I think your on the right track though with what your saying. You have a lot of good questions. Let me see what i can find...
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Old October 30th, 2008, 05:47 PM
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Default Protecting your Palm Trees from winter weather TOM

Protecting both parts of the tree is essential in its survival. Heat lamps are good but they use propane and will emit to much C02 and you will have to replace them quite often, I can see them working if a cold snap is on the way and it will drop below 20 degrees F. A heat blanket will work but remember you have to protect the new spear coming out from the palm since that is its only (lets say last breathe). If the new spear dies the palm tree basically dies. I have scene a palm that the spear died but it was only because there was another spear coming out but wasn't visible. The trunk need protection as well. Use every method you think that will keep the trunk warm but not to warm and you have to let it breathe. Burlap has known to work, burlap stuffed with mulch. Throwing a blanket over the leaves help as well from the harsh winds. The roots as well, the queen palm has shallow roots. they are close to the top of the ground very easy to have them freeze. So keeping the roots from freezing would be ideal because the if some roots die and fungus or diseases starts to set in, it could reach the bulb of the palm and kill it as well. Place a Pic Tom let us see what you have to work with....I hope its not to late
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Old October 30th, 2008, 10:57 PM
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pic in am if I can figure it out here...I am going to heat trace around the ground...then cover it with mulch...then go up the tree with another tracer cable..like a candy cane...I am a plumber...I want to wrap the leaves..fronds...up and wrap them also with the same tracer cable....then I want to wrap the tree loose with bubble wrap...big bubble 1 inch type...I want to leave some air get in...bubble to top fronds..top..little open on top..I will watch the temp all the time..I have temp guns...and will rig some visual stuff...if the bubble wrap is a no no...I could try some with burlap...but I will let some air get up...going to wrap a 1 inch poly pipe in there...then pull it out...or just miss a 1/2 inch on the candy cane wrap...hmmm...the clear wrap will let sun in also...all tracers will be on stats for outside air temp....the heat lamp idea was the electric red bulbs....I am going to have to monitor the heat transfer vs. weather...alot at start...I am going to test the tracer on my leg first for awhile..I know what they do on pipes...does any body know what I should keep the trunk at??temp??well...everything?...I am starting the trace in am....I ordered the root stuff....the copper spray stuff...and 5 fert sticks..per tree.air fright in am...I ordered enough for each tree..even though to late..my objective is to come up with a simple system that works...I wish I was not starting off with these hurt trees...I can also heat the ground with a diesel dip stick heater...stabs in ground...110 volt...going to rig some trees different..yes I can water through mulch and on heat tape...possibly I will have to run 2 heat tapes..in case I need more heat plug it in...I am paronoid about the heat...and having to unwrap..or to much...
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:11 PM
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[I was busy and made many mistakes...got the palms cleaned up...sprayed down with copper sulfate..heat taped..and bubble wraped....first I had the palms wrapped all the way to top...then tree cutter..Jake?...told me I had to let them get some light...and was going to loose some fronds anyway...important thing is to protect the heart...so I unwrapped..and left some of the top out...then I called a real smart horticulture guy that I used before...the dude is smart...he is going to help me...he also told me it is to late to put the fert on and the other stuff...hormones..he said up here right now you do not want that tree..palm...doing anything....he does not want it getting going then shutting down...pummped then dumped at night...he said that I really have to put it in a comfortable hybernation...the way I was going to do it was having it looking for food and trying to grow...I can not let it do much photosynthithis..or something like that...cause of wrap and cold...so if I have to wrap the top I will...I am going to wait for more imput..the heat wrap will have to be on a stat....that will be at palm mid level..in air...the ground heat tape will be ground stat....there is air that can travel around bubbles...I can poke holes if needed...he also said that the clear is going to heat up to much during the day...and trick the palm...he wants me to cover with silver or white tyvak....loose of course..I will have to monitor it like mad untill I find out what works...RPT guys said to bad I did not know where these came from....they have palms already trained for colder weather..that wouild possibly have been better...the horticulture dude Mark...said basically the people put it in a early hybenation and slow it down by not watering it in august...they were new this year....after we got our act together...it did not take long to do the jobs...I should have spaced them alittle more for my high lift...but I was not thinking....ok...hopefully I can up load some pics[/i]
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:34 PM
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more..I tried it on the leg...but could not feel it enough...I might have to take some off the tree...never know...going to do the ground in morning...then wait till do more fert research vs. photosynthis vs.hybernation with Mark and RPT guys.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 01:33 PM
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Your doing a good job. I'm surprised at the effort you have put into this. The horticultural guy is right. The palm tree does go through a stage of hibernation and will require less of everything. Although all those things you bought are not for waste because when they do survive all the nutrients will be there for it to feed on. I was looking for stuff on here and i saw the winter protection with the Styrofoam boxes, you could do that and build it yourself. I guess it makes for a good insulator and since your a handy man you can add lighting to it. I do agree, with knowing where you got the palm trees is very important and they do look a bit on the rough side which will definitely play a role in the survival of your palms. Think, you transplanted them, so they are already going through a transplant shock. Then to make them survive a winter. If you do this you actually accomplished something that probably has never been done. lol Transplanting and protecting it during a New Jersey Winter. WOW. I was use burlap since it wouldn't matter how much you wrapped them because the palms could still breath through it. Winterizing a palm does make sense, if you do it right, which im sure huge nurseries owners know how. but any way Keep us posted on what you do. BEST BET IS TO ENCAPSULATE EACH ONE in a wood box or Styrofoam. with all the heat stuff you already have.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:37 PM
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Yes...well...I am looking for a easy method...something that you can use over easy...I am already having minor issues..I think boxes will be hard...break in wind...on beach...that is my goal...to get on this windy wicked beach...trees curve..boxes don't...but yes it is a better process for saving...I took some temp s today...possibly i wrapped them to soon....but the other day i woke up with 1/4 inch of ice on winshield from sprinklers...hence my quick wrap up...the temps were 60 degrees today and in sun hotter on the plastic...some of these shots are o plastic...some on palm...ground..erics arm...a plant under over hang...behind palm out of sun on wood...I did see some moisture under the wrap...not a good sign in one spot...temps on sun side high..back side low...Mark is right about getting some silver wrap to shield from sun..I think the thermostat will have to be like under the wrap with the tree...otherwise it will cook it..I will probably need ventalation...more...possibly a velcro breathable bag with some vent holes...ones you can close off when gets down to 20 and windy...I think the plastic bubble is wrong...velcro top...sides bottom......ok pics
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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:41 PM
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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:45 PM
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last of today...the velcro bag would be good..easy...breathable canvas..loose...and you could add to it if tree grew if project was not a failure.
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today temps were good cause it was only 50...were having hight temps right now...under wrap was 59..I am noticing some moisture under plastic....not much...but who knows...I do not think any moisture and heat are good if not vented...which I would say it is not...I am going to call my boat canvas guy and ask him how much for bags..white..light sumbrella canvas...something easy to move..velcro on bottom and 1 side..and top...going to see if he can flair the top out...probably going to be to much money...do you guys have any ideas?..I am going to have to cover with silver if I do nothing.....
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 11:46 PM
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I just stuck with needle palms. and a Windmill.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:02 AM
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Bubble wrap (I thought that was bad) But i have scene people use it before. I think you should do the velcro and find some burlap or i guess canvas. There are kind of similar. I wish i had more information to help, but as i was reading the other post i see that you have done your research and have pretty smart people helping.
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I really hope your palm trees survive.
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